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never had a great experience here atcrisp for two days with a master classand the topic for the master class waswhat's next for agile so could you maybeexplore a bit too why that's the currenttopic and what it really is next foridea yeah I think come it's been a greattwo days all rightyeah I think agile is at a turning pointat the moment right I think what you'reactually starting to see is increasingcommoditization so you've got sort ofyou know the safe Borg sitting therewith a sort of everything encompassingDevOps comes along that getsincorporated you got the scrum Allianceworking with less you're getting thesevery large mega method factories youknow with a heavy focus on accreditationand that to my mind is can modifyingwhat was originally something verydifferent in terms of a movement rightyou've also got the big consultanciesand I started to recognize the revenuestream from agile so they're acquiringsmaller agile houses and they'll do thatfor the next six months or so andthey're starting to use their accountmanagement teams to move into the samefield so I think one of the big issueson this now for small agile companiesfor people to still really think theagile manifesto is what it was all aboutis a to create differentiated servicesright so there is still a whole bunch ofwork to do here for example new forms ofsoftware architecture stuff we'reworking on which we talked about thisweek about an articulated user needs prescrum techniques in agile I develop inthe new novel things around thecommodity suppliers rights that's onepart of it I think the other part isthere's a also rather slavish beliefthat you can just take agile methods andmove them anywhere in the company yousee as in people like Steve Zen and likeand again I think that's a failure toappreciate context but I think theprinciples of agile which are verysimilar to the principles of complexityand we spent all day on this yesterday Iwas looking at new forms oforganizational design managingnetworks recognizing that hierarchy hasvalue it can't always be thrown out butit needs to be supplemented looking atways in which we can create cross islandknowledge collaboration looking in waysin which as I said earlier we can dealwith an articulated needs we can providedecision support to executiveseffectively scaling not by aggregatingagile techniques into a construct but bychanging the way we interact with thec-suiteyeah yeah so I see hada has been on theoperational flow and now yeah trying totake those methods and practices asapplying them across the company is notenough they all not work they're notenough any more work right I mean Ithink you can get some evaluatedmarketing using a scrum type to me rightbut I mean scrumming can have in termsall right is a boundary transitiontechnique between complex andcomplicated the real value comes whereyou do things in the pure complex basewhere things are very loose and veryforming they're given illustration oneof the points I've been making which isupset a few people is that Kanban is acomplicated technique not a complextechnique yeahnow suddenly pushes me on that Iqualified and say well working progressis a common concept to complex andcomplicated but the way Kanbanrepresents work in progressassumes discrete units therefore it'scomplicated some tips yeah whereas if weactually see working progresses andrealize potentialities then it's complexbut then we need a whole different wayof representing the concept which issomething we do with narrativelandscapes for example so I think thekey now is to produce new highlyenergy-efficient radical high-valueinnovations around the core of whatagile has become raw and try and competewith the Borg in the middle mmm-hmm andyou touched upon the Canadian now yeahyou also updated it slightly so whatkind of what's what's new and why do youthe big issue was to introduce what'scalled the liminal version evan andthere's a I've also made it availablefor free for anybody with a PowerPointand Keynote version for a long time wedid a lot of work on boundarytransitions and that didn't necessarilyget the point across as well as I wantedand the liminality concept is a keyconcept in anthropology and elsewhereit's a state of transitionmmm-hmm it's a safety going one state tothe other but not truly knowing whereyou are so effectively I created twoliminal divisions on Kevin which is easyto do with one stroke of a penhmm always makes it easier so there's aliminal domain in complex of somethingabout to become complicated so that'swhere scrum fits for example becauseit's a linear iteration it's not aparallel iteration it's starting tostructure something if it works it willproduce something which is repeatablewhich can aggregate so it's a liminaltechnique and that's it's huge value wethen created a liminal area into thechaos domain mm-hmm which is anintrusion the deliberate destruction ofconnectivity a deliberate destruction ofconstraints for innovation or for wisdomof the crowds so what the liminalversion allows us to do is to basicallydefine two more sub to more demands wethink maybe makes it more sophisticatedwithout confusing the original conceptso both the eliminar domain boarding tothe chaos we actually have innovationand creativity and then the second oneboarding to between a complex andcomplicated where he can make complexmore yeah pull the more it took but it'swithin the complex domain which islegitimizing the statement that scrum isaccomplished yeah but it's saying it's aliminal complex technique it's not apure complex technique and that that's Ithink has more value mm-hmm and also itlooks more like a flow diagram the otherreason I'm pleased his people tended touse Canarian is a static categorizationto me mmm-hmm the liminal versioninterests me graphically suddenly makespeople realize Morpheus much more aboutflow it's much more about dynamics yeahyeah there's some dynamics go back andforth and it's not yes the categorizingtool for you could have four categoriesyeah hmm yeah so also in the mrsa classwe talked about the fact that your yourcurrent competence can be the biggesthindrance so to say in a new complexdomain could you expand shortly underyeah that's Clayton Christensen's pointall rightif you look at what he says is that thereason organizations fail is not becausethey're incompetent but they're veryvery company's in the old paradigms andI don't see changenow I've augmented that with apexpredator theory which is a key part ofthe book it's a new approach to strategyand it basically says if you're in aperiod of high commoditization then theold paradigm is about to switch yeah socommoditization is an indication youintroduce novelty because somethingnovel will actually create the newreality if you're not in that sort ofperiod then you're into a stabilizationthing and I use the example of thetransfer from IBM to Microsoft Apple mmmeach of which was an apex predator eachof which came left-field from nowhereeach of which exact exploited anexisting technology to get earlyadvantage in a new field and the firsttwo of those didn't see the changecoming mmmin theory Apple will be in the samemission and again that would be anillustration what we were talking aboutearlier is that agile is now at that topend of the apex pressure cycle overcommoditized over structured yeah yeahtherefore non adaptive when theecosystem changes isn't it the same thathappened also on individual levels likefor manager for example if they have thepast success they think they know how tohandle it and if that past success in acomplicated domain they that's pitifulfor candy but I think there's a dangerof taking systems concepts andindividuals hmm I think in that caseit's not only just that the manager hasdone that but the culture in whichthey're surrounded reinforces it so it'snot just an individual thing and one ofthese I think those of us in acomplexity perspective are arguing verystrongly is the excessive focus andindividual change will actually preventchange we need to focus on system changeand the way you change your complexadaptive system is by not by changingindividuals but by changing the waypeople connect and the interactions yeahif you change the change of interactionsis not only easier it's more ethicalyeah and but then by changinginteractions you can radically changewhat happens yeah I remember you saidsomething like you can really changepeople anyway so the thing you canchange is the reactions interactionspeople will change in different contextsso and you see that people radicallychange based on who they're with thanwhat's going on at allso they call in complexity context iseverythingyeah and by changing the context peoplechange and flow with the context shiftyeah trying to change systems bychanging people it just takes too longyeah yeah you work a lot with largegroup interventions as well understandyeah that's also wait and to work withthe system rather than individuals yeahand we I mean it's interesting I'm doinga session with Harrison from open spacein January I think open space is a veryvaluable technique if it's practicedright I don't think a jold practice isit well because they reduce what shouldbe an open space over at one or two daysinto a series of half-hour sprints at aconference and that's not really openspace right we do a large group withinlarge group people don't volunteer forthings they're forced to interact withpeople they don't want to interact withyeah because we want to increase what'scanned so if you're doing strategy workyou need something in which people areinherently uncomfortable hmm if you'retrying to build consensus you wantsomething like open space where peoplefeel more comfortable yeah yeah it's ahorses and horses to use a Britishphrase I think what is it's one of theother big problems with agile is peopleget they conflate a method withinideology and then anything which is inthat method is condemned they don'trealize that methods are all contextualyeah it's not scrum or Kanban all rightthey both work Indian context indifferent places right but it's not openspace is everything open space is amethod it works in some context it's notan ideology yes it tends to be eat itcannot eat or thinking yeah and yes kindof like the religious wars in agileagainst entertaining really if you knowanything about medieval history and I'mwaiting for bonfires to be erected insquares and the represent of the alcoholcan be dragged out kicking and screamingby the agile Curia yeah so they werevaluing the old methods but differentcontexts yeah it's MIT's multiplemethods I mean that's that's my bigproblem with things like safe which Ithink has betrayed a lot the spirit ofagile in it is not mixed methods it's ina simulation of all methods into anengineering cultureconstruct in most casts you mentioned alot of other products you're involved inso we didn't really talk yet but therewas some really really interesting maybemore important topics than ad yet couldyou mention a few were the product yeahwhen the big ones in if I look at themain ones within the Canaveral Centerright mmm we're working on citizenengagement at the moment in which we getin kids at the age of 16 or 17 communityactivists sports clubs mm-hmm toactually act as ethnographers to theirown communities yeah on a continuousbasis that's initially funded by theWelsh government is going across Walshvalleys we're talking in Finland at themoment I'm talking a Sweden later ontoday about the possibility of it cominghere and the concept there is to producea human system to buffer the echochamber effect of social media yeah soby increasing human agency in the systemand it's also we're seeing the presentand the past through the eyes of thefuture I mean Wales we have a thingcalled the future generations act mm-hmmwhich requires all legislation toconforte to explicitly deal with how itwill impact on the future generation itdoes good and that's a unique to Walesor I think the Commissioner Sophie isresponsible for enforcing it now we'rebuilding into that in the citizenengagement program so we're seeingcommunities through the eyes of thefuture but then we're doing jetcross-generational coupling in whichyoung people bring in people from theirgrandparents generation working in theircommunity to work with the software tocome up with interventions wants to makea difference and that's my mind isreally exciting all right and that's aworldwide project sort shortly so howwould what you will will it be theactual interactions that you were kindof it is its raw narrative alright sofor example our starting point in anyschool right this is kinda like the sameschool year every year so it's probablysomething is the kids basically atrained how to do the ethnography hmmand they go and find somebody in theirgrandparents and their parentsgeneration and ask for them for thestory that that person thinks the childshould remember ah that's core culturalmapping mm-hmm there next month it mightbe going find somebody who lives onand interview them about their livesyeah so rather than half the Commissionmarket research we got that continuousflow but I say the kids can sit down intheir community and say what can we dotomorrow to create more stories likethis fewer stories like that and we alsocapture the interventions this is aboutempowering communities yet to engage intheir own future I think this is superinteresting so that's really importantwork yeah so we're off to now after thismostly cows here billion Namibian coupleof days iam and then from there on toSaskatoon so I think either it's minus30 there at the moment for three daysbefore I go down to Vancouver then backto Berlin and then out to Tallinn andthen I get some time off for Christmasyeah and then you were off writing yesyeah I got eight days in a remote Welshcottage with views of the sea and nointernet access but a good pub so theidea is I write the book yeah good welook forward to the book and thanks fortaking time to come to crispy knit yourbusy schedule and hope to see you backhere yeah thank you[Music]

Agile coach Michael Göthe from Crisp interviews Dave Snowden about what is going to happen next for Agile, the latest updates to the Cynefin model and more!

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